Tuesday, October 15, 2013

things to do in the Tetons

Jackson is at an elevation of 6250ft.  We'll do no hiking the day of arrival, and sleep at elevation, starting to get used to it.  

Park entrance fees are $25 per car, truck, or RV; good for seven days in both Grand Teton and Yellowstone parks. Annual park passes are $40.

Map of the park: http://www.nps.gov/grte/planyourvisit/upload/GRTE_park_map_2011.pdf

Junior Ranger program for the kids: http://www.nps.gov/grte/forkids/upload/Grand-Adventure-13.pdf  To get a junior ranger badge, the kids must listen to at least one ranger led talk, and then either a 2nd, or see a video.  At Jenny Lake there are 2 programs, each done once per day.  One is bear safety, the other is variable.  Oxbow bend wildlife watch, 6p-7:30.  "Teton Topics" at Colter Bay, 30 min, once per day.  Preserve: 9:30, 3 mile ranger led walk.  Exact times are listed in the park news paper: http://www.nps.gov/grte/parknews/newspaper.htm



17.5 mi, 32 min condo to Rockefeller Preserve
5.2 mi, 15 min, Rock Preserve to Menor's Ferry
3.7 mi, 11 min, Menor's Ferry to Mormon Row
7.8 mi, 19 min Rock Pres to Mormon Row directly (saves 7 min)
11.6 mi, 25 min Rock Pres to Jenny Lake Visitor's Center
20.9 mi, 34 min condo to Jenny Lake Visitor's Center
26.5 mi 45 min, jenny lake vis cen to Leek's Marina via jenny lake loop road
20.2 mi, 32 min, jenny lake vis cen to Leek's Marina SKIPPING jenny lake loop road 
29.4 mi, 41 min, Leek's Marina to Craig Thomas Visitor Center (wildlife caravan)
7.7 mi, 13 min, jenny lake vis cen to Craig Thomas Visitor Center (wildlife caravan)
15.3 mi, 28 min, jenny lake vis cen to craig thomas vis center via loop road
16.1 mi, 35 min, Jenny Lake vis cen to restaurants in Jackson Hole
8.9 mi, 25 min, Jackson Hole restaurants to Craig Thomas Vis Center

sunday
9a hit the road
9:30a arrive Laurence Rockefeller Preserve
10:30a leave LRP
11:00a arrive Jenny Lake Ferry
11:45p start hike
3:30p finish hike, catch return Ferry
4:00 drive to Leek's marina for pizza OR drive to village cafe for pizza
5:00 Craig Thomas Visitor Center for wildlife caravan (reservations required, 10 vehicle max)
Cascade Canyon Trailhead 

To get to the Jenny Lake Visitor Center, enter Grand Teton National Park from Moose Junction and take the main park road north past Menors Ferry Historic District and the Chapel of the Transfiguration. Jenny Lake is on the left, about 8 miles from Moose Junction. The trailhead is located at the mouth of Cascade Canyon and can be accessed by taking the easy, 3.3 mile (one-way) Jenny Lake Loop or by taking the shuttle boat across the lake.

Sept 2-21 the shuttle runs 10a - 4p: Shuttles run every 10-15 minutes throughout the day. The last boat will leave the dock at the posted closing time.
Shuttle Rates for 2014:
Adult Round Trip        $15
Adult One Way          $9

Child Round Trip        $8
Child One Way          $6

Hidden Falls is on the way to Inspiration Point
Inspiration Point
  • 5.8 miles round-trip (2.2 miles with boat shuttle)
  • 4 hours (2.5 hours with shuttle)
  • 700 feet elevation gain
  • Moderate to Strenuous out-and-back
The hike to Inspiration Point: 


Cascade Canyon notes:
Cascade Canyon is the #2 activity in GTNP on Trip Adviser (behind "Grand Teton")

The last ferry leaves the trailhead site for the return to the visitor at 4pm so if you miss it don't stress as this part of the walk can be done in about an hour and is fairly easy with a couple of moderate climbs only.

The first half mile of the Cascade Canyon trail is moderate to steep climb over some rough terrain to Inspiration Point lookout. About a further 10-15 minutes on from here the trail flattens out to any easy walk along the valley floor for the next 2 miles or so thru stands of pines and open meadows. The valley is quite wide here and there are excellent views of the surrounding peaks and a number of cascading waterfalls entering the valley from the sides.
At the end of the valley the trail forks and then there is a moderate uphill climb for about 2.5 miles to Lake Solitude. 

The climb to Inspiration Point is not easy; the trail is rocky, but the views back across the lake and up the canyon are incredible.

If you make it all the way up to Inspiration Point don't turn back after checking out the view. The best is yet to come and you've already come through the most strenuous part of the trail. There's nothing quite like seeing the canyon open up before you as you walk further up the trail. You can choose how far you want to go into the canyon based on your energy levels but definitely go at least an extra 15-30 minutes into the canyon to take in the magnificent views. It's easy to understand why this is one of the most popular and beloved hikes in Grand Teton

“Our favorite activity in Grand Teton was this hike!”

Wildlife CaravanTravel with a ranger to look for wildlife during the early evening; the best viewing time. Be prepared to drive or ride to multiple locations. Dress warmly and bring binoculars or spotting scopes. Limited to 10 vehicles. Reservations are required. Please call the Craig Thomas Discovery and Visitor Center, (307) 739-3399, or make reservations in person. Ride sharing will be strongly encouraged. Meet at the Craig Thomas Discovery & Visitor Center in Moose at 5 pm. The tour lasts 3 hours.

Mormon Row Barns is a amazing spot for photos. It is "most photographed barn in America"

Fodor's recommendation for GT in one day: http://www.fodors.com/world/north-america/usa/wyoming/grand-teton-national-park/travel-tip_2295643.html

Go to the visitor center (it is very good) and take the scenic loop drive.

The have a cycling trial from Jenny Lake Area all the way to Jackson village which must be close to 30 miles long. The trail is mostly flat with great scenery all the way

 Drive Teton Park Road ( the loop road) for breathtaking views from the top of Signal Mountain and the Jenny Lake Overlook. 

September is probably the best month of the year to see the park. The colors turned from green to autumn in one week.

Moose Wilson Road is loaded with wildlife. Black Bear and Moose  "Would you believe that bears consume up to 20,000 calories a day in the fall? This feeding-frenzy is called “hyperphagia.” Bears put on weight in fall to survive winter hibernation. Hawthorne and chokecherry bushes line the Moose-Wilson Road providing prime habitat for both black and grizzly bears. Park rangers will close this road if necessary due to bear activity"

There is an excellent loop road that takes you along the bottom of the range through Moose, South Jenny Lake, North Jenny Lake, Jackson Lake Lodge, make sure that you do the Lunch Tree Hill walk at the back of the lodge, takes about 30 minutes and you will not be disappointed, then return back through Antelope Flats, we took the whole day as there are many turnouts where you can take photos.

 Don't miss the Rockefeller Nature Preserve

Spectacular views. Lots of wild animals to see. I had no idea what to expect and we actually saw more animals here then in Yellowstone. The view of the mountains is amazing no matter where you are in the park. We used a tour guide one day to show us where to find the wildlife and that was very helpful. 

The best way to see the beautiful mountains is to wait for the sunset somewhere around Jackson Lake


Jenny Lake Overlook: The Jenny Lake Overlook is probably the best vantage point to see the Teton Mountain Range directly behind Jenny Lake in Grand Teton National Park.  It's a fantastic view, and the only way to get there is to take the North Jenny Lake Junction road off of the Teton Park Road, and take the Jenny Lake Scenic Drive (one-way) just before you reach String Lake.

42 mile scenic loop notes: 
If you have but only one day in the Grand Tetons, definitely take this drive. Forty-two miles sounds short but with all the stops and beautiful photo opts, you can use the whole day. Take a picnic along as there aren't many places to eat. Take the Moose-Wilson Road (which turns to gravel for a short distance) if the road is open. This is where we saw the only bear the entire week. The Moose Visitor Center has a great exhibit area, food, and nice restrooms.

Outstanding photo ops around almost every corner. The Snake River Overlook was gorgeous. Lots of wildlife on both loops. It is only about a 4 hours trip to cover everything.

 we took 4 hours and didn't stop at all places.

 We particularly enjoyed the views from Jenny Lake. A ranger there had some wolf skins and was giving a talk about wolves in the park. 

If you want to see wildlife, do this drive. 

Do the speed limit! Federal speeding tickets issued in the park and they are ON it!

Having been to 45 states, I can say I've been to many of America's most beautiful places. This route is on the top of my list and has to be my favorite. Like the Teton Park Road, it is rarely mentioned as a great American drive but without question, it is one of the most scenic, tranquil drives you can ever take. Just be sure to take your time, you'll want to spend 4 or 5 hours absorbing the views.

There is plenty to do, primarily around Jenny Lake but we also ventured further north and went up Summit Mountain road where we saw a bear walking along the edge of the road minding his own business. This was our only sighting of bear on our whole trip but it was such a good one and totally unexpected. The view from the top of the mountain is great and so was the valley below.

Jackson Lake lodge has stunning views over the lake to the mountains beyond (someone else said there is a great breakfast here).

Our best view of the Tetons was actually outside the park on the main road at the Snake river overlook. Just up from Gros Venture junction on the Kelly road is a small pullout overlooking the river. Here we were told was a good place to see moose and we went at 7pm on 2 nights and both evenings we saw moose. We ate at Dornan's one evening just by the south entrance. They have a no frills pizza and pasta restaurant where the food is excellent.


Highlights
Be sure to grab a map at the park entrance. Here are some of our favorite stops (starting at Moose).
  • Chapel of the Transfiguration: This unique and very tiny church has a perfect view of the Tetons.
  • Menors Ferry: Ride the Menor's Ferry replica with a park ranger (only 15 minutes). ( the ferry doesn't run very long and it's really just luck if you can catch it...look through the cabin, transport shed and finally the store and cabin. Located on the side of the river, it gives you an insight to how pioneer life must have been, 
  • Jenny Lake Boat to Hidden Falls: Turn off at the South Jenny Lake Junction and ride the Jenny Lake Boat across the lake. Hike the short steep trail up to Hidden Falls (and beyond if you like).
  • Jenny Lake Loop Road: Further north, you can access the Jenny Lake Loop Road which runs one-way. It's a scenic jaunt off the main road.Jenny Lake Loop Grand Teton Park
  • Signal Mountain Road: From Signal Mountain Lodge, drive to the top of Signal Mountain for spectacular views of the Teton Range.
  • Oxbow Bend: This is a prime wildlife viewing location  .
  • Snake River Overlook: A beautiful view overlooking the Snake River.
  • Schwabacher Landing: Yet another stunning view of the Tetons.
  • Mormon Row: Turn east onto Antelope Flats road and discover a historic homestead at Mormon Row.
  • Dornan's: Grab a drink and head to the upper deck. It's a must stop at the end of a day in the Tetons. 
  • Moose-Wilson Road: As an alternative route back to Jackson, drive the scenic and wildlife-filled Moose Wilson Road.
Oxbow Bend
 If you can get there in late September, the Fall colors of the Aspen trees are beautiful as they reflect on the water there.  is just a turnout off the highway along the Snake river that offers great reflection shots of the Tetons. It is usually crowded, especially at sunrise although we did find a parking space.   is just a turnout off the highway along the Snake river that offers great reflection shots of the Tetons. It is usually crowded, especially at sunrise although we did find a parking space.  

Laurance Rockefeller Preserve Notes: 
The hike around Phelps lake is spectacular. Saw bears near the parking lot.  



offered good exposure to wildlife (in our case bull elk and black bear) and offers hiking options which are not too difficult.  Trail map: http://www.nps.gov/grte/planyourvisit/upload/Death_Canyon_topo.pdf

It is a great drive, a lot of wildlife to see-bears, elk, deer and beaver houses!!! There is a great place to pull over and look for moose also. Entrance off Moose-Wilson Rd. Parking is limited and you may have to wait your turn. The 2 hiking trails to Phelps Lake are very popular and form a loop of about 3-4 miles total. Enjoyed the visitors center and library.

The Moose-Wilson road is on the left just before the entrance to the Teton Park If you take the road to the end be prepared for tar to dirt and big potholes, but beautiful!!! You will end up just outside Teton Village and some amazing shots of the mountains. Caution--there are bears and quite a lot of them!!!!

But the bears were there and easy to find and watch. They were munching away on berries and leaves so were unconcerned about the people watching them. Saw a beautiful black bear crossing a small waterfall, then a cinnamon black bear up a tree eating.

 Numerous bears were back of the main building getting their last bits of the berries. The paths immediately around the preserve have berry bushes right up to the path so you should be careful for bears while walking through. We took a hike up to Phelps Lake, which was comfortable walk of approximately 3 miles round trip.


  • Address: On east side of Moose-Wilson Rd., about 4 mi south of Moose and 3 mi north of Granite Canyon Entrance Station, Grand Teton National ParkWY 83012

Jackson Hole Aerial Tram Ride: $74 for the 12 min tram ride to 10,450 ft, plus $12 parking.  That is a lot of money, and the kids may not be comfortable at that altitude.
One of the highlights of our trip! Of course we were there for the first snow of the year, and we are from Florida! Best view! At the top, beer, hot chocolate or hot waffles. ... Look in local flyers for discount coupons. $54 for 2 adults after the discount, but worth every penny!!

only took about 12 minutes to get to the top. get a full view of the valley and beyond. you can stay and hike around the trails, or ride back down

Kid price is $10, adult price is $26, if bought on-line in advance.  

The views are incredible on the way up but even more amazing when you get off at the top. You can see 360 degrees for what seems like forever. 

The tram is run efficiently. It takes about 15 minutes each way. The views are stupendous. Be sure to wear a jacket and hat and gloves as it is very cold up on top.

There are $5.00 off coupons in the local paper which makes the cost about $27.00 per person. You can also ride the chair lift for free after 4:00 pm. It takes you up to a nice bar and restaurant with outdoor seating for a grand view. Definitely worth the trip.

In 2013 is open until Sept 29.  $6 discount for tickets bought on line: http://www.jacksonhole.com/summer-ride-the-tram.html

This Tram Ride from Teton Village, WY will take you to the top of Rendezvous Mountain at 10,450 feet with great views There is paid parking everywhere in Teton Vilage with the lot for the tram currently at $12 for the day.


Alpine Slide:
Our kids enjoyed this quite a lot! You can either let it rip, or pull the brake and go slowly! If you are in the area, it is worth the time. I think we spent maybe 1 hour there signing up, and completing a run (you have to take the lift up, then wait a bit.)

 It's $15 a go but when you buy 4 tickets together you effectively get a 5th one free. You get a ski lift up and then get in a little toboggan and slide down the track. You can go as fast or as slow as you want! The kids seemed to be loving it! It was good fun but it would be better if it was a little less expensive. We still enjoyed it though and I would recommend it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1a5XU8RJw

 They do comp you one ride, for every four purchased, 

 But the kids loved it though...while on vacation, that is the most important part, right?

At first we though it was a little pricey at $15 per head, but the ride up on the ski lift and the fast but fun 2 minutes ride down the course was worth it and a lot of fun.

Jenny Lake scenic drive: 
This 4-mi, one-way loop provides the park's best roadside close-ups of the Tetons as it winds south through groves of lodgepole-pine and open meadows. Roughly 1.5 mi off Teton Park Road, the Cathedral Group Turnout faces 13,770-foot Grand Teton (the range's highest peak), flanked by 12,928-foot Mt. Owen and 12,325-foot Mt.

Junior Ranger Program:
Children ages 8-12 learn about the natural world of the park (GT) as they take an easy 2-mi hike with a ranger. Kids should wear old clothes and bring water, rain gear, and insect repellent. The hike, which takes place at Jenny Lake, is 1½ hours long and is limited to 12 children.

Signal Mountain Rd notes:
A 5-mile scenic mountain drive.

Views were nice but not all that spectacular.

 there were toilets at the top of the road! Spend some time on this road, drive slowly and you will be rewarded.

 the views weren't that breathtaking. At the top, you'd be looking in a direction opposite to the Tetons. It's an interesting view (vast), but I wish we had spent that time on foot instead of in the car. The road is good enough, it's paved and goes through forest. Probably took us less than an hour.

For sunset don't go all the way to the top. There is a turnout just a couple of turns before the top.

This is a winding road up the mountain which summits to a beautiful view of the valley and mountains. Breathtaking. There is a little "trail" to the right which allows a better view of the Tetons and an excellent photo opportunity. Absolutely worth the trip up. (And you get cell service here)

 While the main view seemed to be East, we did walk down the short trail to a viewing spot of the Tetons to the southwest.

Scenic Restaurant view.  Food and service were great.

It's a few mile drive to the overlook. When you walk up to the placard, you see some nice views, but keep walking out on the trail about 50-75 feet further for a spectacular view of Jackson Lake and the Tetons...spectacular!!!!

Schwabacher Point:
I've taken many pictures at Schwabacher Landing over the years, but to my dismay, the road is closed this year! Sequestration strikes again! 

The road to the landing is closed this year due to the sequester. However, you can still park on the highway and walk there, about 3 miles RT.

Fodor's recommends Jackson Lake Lodge for dinner: but the lodge gets so-so reviews on trip advisor etc.  The best reviewed place is Leeks Marina and pizzeria: 

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/wyoming/txu-pclmaps-topo-wy-grand_teton-1899.jpg



On the way to Yellowstone: 
a quick stop at Lewis falls for a leg stretch (very pretty).  It is 1 hr 21 min from the rental house, most of the way to Yellowstone Lake.  Looked at pictures, these falls are small and boring




Sunday, October 13, 2013

Costs

My original cost estimation from Feb 28, 2013: "So, Sept 21, 2014 I'd like to go to Yellowstone.  I found this 8 bedroom cabin that sleeps 18 for $399/night: http://www.faithfulstreetinn.com/cabins.php

Looks like in 2013 flights are about $550/pp round trip BWI to Jackson, WY.  Each family could rent a Subaru Outback or equivalent for $338/week.

If we get 4 families, the total for each family would be
$0 - meals and booze, assume we'd eat and drink like we would at home
$2200 - air, $550 x 4 tickets
$100- extra bags
$350 - rental car
$850 - 1/4 of 4 day house rental with tax
$25 - 7 day park pass
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$3525 Grand total " <---- from my original e-mail, these were my old guestimates

Now we are down to 3 families.  I think I meant "1/4 of a 7 day house rental".  

The house in West Yellowstone is $379/night for 4 nights plus 10% tax, cleaning fee is included in the nightly rate so $1668/3 = $556.    The house rental near the Tetons is between $253 and $496, with the sweet spot (price/ft2/location) at $315/family.

The total expenditure EXcluding accommodations is $2200 + 100 + 350 + 25 = $2675

Accomodations:
$315 Jackson 2 nights (we'll have the place for 3 nights)
$556 West Yellowstone 4 nights
$85 Yodeler in Red Lodge, MT, one night.
$956 total for accommodations

$3631 for the new grand total

I think my flight prices were based on Sept 2013 numbers.  Only Delta and United fly into Jackson Hole Airport (JAC).  Right now the furthest date Delta is selling for is end of August at which time a flight BWI-JAC, and then BIL-BWI is $506.10 including taxes and fees.


Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Travel Time Compare

I want to revisit the lodging options before we book.  We had been planning the following sight-seeing itinerary:
day 1 arrive
day 2 Tetons
day 3 Tetons (or start Yellowstone exploring early to allow for a bad weather day mid-week)
day 4 Old Faithful and surrounding
day 5 Yellowstone Canyon and surrounding
day 6 Mammoth area and Fire Hole canyon hot springs
day 7 Lamar Valley
day 8 Bear Tooth Highway on the way to Billings Logan Airport

Tetons are 2 hr 24 min from West Yellowstone, and West Yellowstone is
To Jackson Airport (JAC) 2 hr 39 min
To Billings Logan Airport, 3 hr 50 min
To Bozeman MT (BZN), 1 hr 47 min from various airports, so we started to consider breaking the week up into 3 parts with different rental houses for different areas of exploration instead of just having one place near the parks, and one place near the Bear Tooth Highway.

Option 1, (called "staying 3 places") fly into Jackson (JAC), stay in chalet in Jackson Hole 1st 3 nights, house in West Yellowstone 2nd 3 nights, last night in Cooke City, leave via Billings Logan Airport

Options 2, (called "2 hotels") fly into Jackson (JAC), stay in Grant Village 1st 6 nights, last night in Cooke City, leave via Billings Logan Airport

compare:

driving times: staying 3 places: 14 hr 33 min,                          2 hotels: 18 hr 39 min
lodging costs: staying 3 places:  Idaho: 253
                              West Yellowstone 556                                 Old Faith Snow Lodge: $990
                      Lupine Inn (Red Lodge) 125                                 Lupine Inn (Red Lodge) 125
                           Total for 3 places    $934                                Total for 2 places $1115
times spent unloading and loading cars: checking in/out and loading unloading cars
                      staying 3 places: sat, tues, fri = 4 + 4 + 4hr        2 hotels: 4+ 4hrs (sat, fri)
(IMO we easily spend 2 hours unloading, figuring out who gets which room, finding toothbrushes, etc)
cost saved by having a kitchen: staying in 3 places: -$220
($20/breakfast X 5 breakfasts, $30/dinner X 4 dinners)
intangible benefits: 3 places: living room in which kids play together while adults drink and plan
                            2 hotels: one less time packing and unpacking could reduce stress

Option 1
day 1:  17 min driving, 2 hours unpacking = 2 h 17
day 2: 1 hr 8 min driving
day 3: 1 hr 8 min driving,
day 4: 2 hr packing, 3 hr 21 min driving, 2 hr unpacking = 7 hr 21 min not sight seeing
day 5: 2 hr 36 min driving
day 6: 3 hr 10 min driving
day 7: 2 hour packing, 2 hr 53 min driving, 2 hr unpacking = 6 hr 53 min not sight seeing
day 8: 2 hour packing, 2 hr 23 min driving to airport via Bear Tooth Highway, late flight

Option 2
day 1:  1 hr 31 min min driving, 2 hours unpacking = 3 hr 31 min
day 2: 2 hr 48 min driving
day 3: 2 hr 48 min driving,
day 4: 1 hr 6 min driving,
day 5: 2 hr 10 min driving
day 6: 3 hr 42 min driving
day 7: 2 hour packing, 2 hr 53 min driving, 2 hr unpacking = 6 hr 53 min not sight seeing
day 8: 2 hour packing, 2 hr 23 min driving to airport via Bear Tooth Highway, late flight

Saturday, July 13, 2013

Lodging compare

ACCOMMODATION OPTIONS:
First, consider the tenative schedule:
day 1, Sat, arrive, stay near Jackson
day 2, Sun, explore Tetons, stay near Jackson
day 3 Mon, Tetons, or start exploring Yellowstone to allow for a day of bad weather
day 4 Tues, Old Faithful and surrounding, stay in West Yellowstone
day 5 Wed, Yellowstone Canyon and surrounding, stay in West Yellowstone
day 6 Thurs, Mammoth area and Fire Hole canyon hot springs, stay in West Yellowstone
day 7 Fri, Lamar Valley and Bear Tooth Highway, Stay in Red Lodge
day 8 Sat,  drive to Billings Logan Airport, fly home

Accommodations in Jackson Hole (first 1-3 nights):
HOTELS:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60491-d667866-Reviews-Miller_Park_Lodge-Jackson_Jackson_Hole_Wyoming.html  $169/might, $338 for 2 nights with 4 people in a room with 2 queen beds.  People describe it as "adequate", "good location", "small room", "hard to walk around the furniture", "hard beds".  This is the least expensive 3 star hotel

HOUSES and CONDOS:
1) http://www.vrbo.com/979136ha We booked this one
$250/night, 4 brm sleeps 12 (one bdrm has 2 sets of bunks) in Jackson, on West Karns Ave, web site says min 4 night stay, cleaning fee is $0, tax is 13% with 4 nights, or $105 cleaning fee with 3 nights, so $333 per family.  Cheaper than the cheap hotel, has a living space in which the kids can play together, has a kitchen and dining area so we can cook/eat breakfast and dinner.

17 min from airport
32 min from Cascade Canyon
21 min to Teton Village

2) http://www.vrbo.com/979145ha#
$250/night 3 night minimum, 3 brm with loft, sleeps 10, just North of Jackson near Jackson Hole Golf and Tennis Club (13% tax, $97 cleaning fee), $315/family

23 min to Cascade Canyon
7 min to airport
33 min to Teton Village

3) http://www.vrbo.com/260984
by owner, $195/night, 5 brm sleeps 12, 2800 ft2 house.  It is near Aspen St. in Victor, IDRenters really like the house.  Minimum 3 night stay, 8% tax, $125 cleaning fee for a total of $756.80 for all 3 nights .  A one third share per family is $253.  We'd save $60 by driving an extra hour per day.

Teton Village is a 39 min (26.6 mile) drive
Airport  Is 34.4 mi (51 min) from the airport.
Cascade Canyon is 45 mi, 1 hr 8 min
Old Faithful Geyeser is  122 mi (2 hr 46 min)

4) http://www.vrbo.com/979132ha
by owner, $335/night, 4 brm sleeps 11, in Teton Village (walk to lifts) pictures look very nice, has no reviews yet.  3 night minimum, pay 1/2 of cleaning.   The 4th bedroom has 5 twins, would do for all of the kids.  Assume tax is 13%, and fees are $100: $1236.  A one third share per family is: $412.  Phone number (800) 992 - 9948.

Teton Village is 0 minutes
Airport Is 14 mi (31 min)
Cascade Canyon is 16 mi (36 min) Grand Teton Nat'l Park.
Old Faithful Geyser is 94 miles (2 hr 18 min)

5) http://www.vrbo.com/184527#rates
$550/night, 4 brm sleeps 12, minimum 2 night stay, approx $496 per family (8% tax, $300 cleaning fee)


http://www.vacationrentals.com/vacation-rentals/27595.html?promoType=none#map-jump vacation rental by owner, $350/night, 6 brm sleeps 12, 34 min from Teton Nt'l Park This property listing is disabled.

http://www.vrbo.com/265089 too expensive, not enough beds
by owner, $450/night, 4 brm sleeps 8-10.  4 night minimum stay, $2100 + taxes and fees.  The 8-10 only becomes 10 when 2 people sleep on the sofas.

http://www.vrbo.com/382739 not enough beds.
by owner, $375, 4 brm sleeps 9 (we have 10 minimum), is 47 min from Cascade Canyon, Grand Teton Nat'l Park

http://www.vrbo.com/345079
by owner, $299, 5 brm sleeps 12, people said it is "dated" but comfortable.  Is the 2nd least expensive, is 54 min from Teton Nt'l Park, immediately at the foot of Jackson Hole Ski resort.  4 night minimum stay. I think this is a very desirable location.  Could do the gondola, etc easily from here. I contacted the owner.  They are bulldozing this place in May and building something new.  He said he had a comparable one for $550.  I said I didn't see how $550 was comparable to $299.  He said you aren't going to find anything for $299/night that sleeps 10.


In Teton Village, ie Jackson Hole resort, can take a gondola up 4000 ft in 12 minutes.  Restaurant, waffles, booze, bungee ride, rock climbing, etc.

In the park (Yellowstone) (nights 3-6):
There are some hotels in Yellowstone, but they are expensive, don't offer a place for the kids to play together, and don't have kitchens, so we'd have to buy all of our meals in the park eateries.
Roosevelt lodge is the closest to the Lamar Valley, but is only open Jun 7 - Sept 3.
Second closest is Canyon Lodge, open May 30 - Sept 20.
Grant Village (inside the park), room with 2 double beds, $164/night with 2 adults and 2 kids.
Old Faithful Snow Lodge, is between $105 and $239/night for a family of 4.  The $165/night is available wold be $660 for 4 nights
Old Faithful Lodge budget cabin 2 double beds, communal toilets and showers $73/night for a family of 4 $292 for 4 nights

OR Accommodations in West Yellowstone (nights 3-6):
http://www.faithfulstreetinn.com/cabins/418/cabin_418.php
$379/night, 6brm, sleeps 18, 4 night minimum stay, just outside yellowstone, 10% tax, no additional fees (cleaning is included in the nightly rate) is $546/family

http://www.faithfulstreetinn.com/cabins/126/cabin_126.php
$269/night, 3brm, sleeps 10, 3 night minimum stay, just outside Yellowstone

http://www.vrbo.com/164752 We booked this one
$350/night, 6 brm, sleeps 17, 3 night minimum stay.  just outside Yellowstone, called owner and left message asking about cleaning fee and more accurate location info.  As of 10/15, the owner got back to me, the cleaning fee is included, the location is in "old town" West Yellowstone, 2 blocks from restaurants and shops.  This place looks like a nicer living room space than Faithful Street Inn.  We are to call the owners once we have arrived.  We've put a deposit down, and owe an additional $1190 after arrival.  They will come to the cabin to collect the balance.  Linens and towels are provided as is dish soap.  The washing machine and dryer in the cabin is "coin operated".  There is satelite and a 60" TV.  Check in is after 5p on 9/22 and check out is 10am on 9/26.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationRentalReview-g45399-d1881863-or3-Lone_Pine_Lodge-West_Yellowstone_Montana.html $299/night 10 min further than West Yellowstone, 4 brm, 4 bath, minimum 3 night stay

Accommodations for the last night in Cooke City or Red Lodge:

Because we are staying for only one night, we cannot get a rental home, so hotels are the only option:

The Yodeler http://www.yodelermotel.com/home.html $85/night for a room with 2 queens.  People on Trip Advisor like it better than Lupine or Comfort Inns. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g45325-Red_Lodge_Montana-Hotels.html  We can't book on-line for weekends in Aug-Sept of '14, but I called and the desk clerk says there is still availability. Casey and I booked this one.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g45325-d76348-Reviews-Lupine_Inn-Red_Lodge_Montana.html motel in Red Lodge (is East of the Bear Tooth Hwy, ie you drive through the BTH to get there), $125/night, has a pool.  153 miles, 3 hr 32 min from West Yellowstone.  46 mi, 55 min from the West side of the Bear Tooth Highway.  62 mi, 1 hr 13 min from Billings Airport.

pollard Inn, http://www.thepollard.com/rooms/ downtown, a double queen room is $180/night

Comfort Inn http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/en-US/html/Availability, two doubles, $130/night

http://www.pineedgecabins.com/roomcompare.htm several single family cabins (sleep 2, 4, or 6) in Cooke City, from $140-$199/night depending if you get a kitchen, etc. 87 miles, 2 hr 15 min from West Yellowstone.  20 mi, 22 min from the West side of Bear Tooth Highway.   67 mi, 1 hr 15 min from Red Lodge.  126 mi, 2 hr 24 min from Billings Airport.

http://grizzlypad.com/rental_house.html  4 brm house, sleeps 10,  3 night minimum near Cooke City, 24 miles to Lamar Valley, 38 minute drive.

Drive Time/Distances:
LAMAR VALLEY
West Yellowstone to Lamar Valley = 66 miles, 2 hr 15 min.
Cooke City to Lamar Valley = 34 miles, 38 min
Grant Village to Lamar Valley = 71 mi, 1 hr 58 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to Lamar Valley = 74 mi, 2 hr 0 min

YELLOWSTONE CANYON
West Yellowstone to Yellowstone Canyon  = 40 mi, 1 hr 4 min
Cooke City to Yellowstone Canyon = 40 mi, 1 hr 4 min
Grant Village to Yellowstone Canyon = 39 mil, 1 hr 5 min
Teton Village to Yellowstone Canyon = 127, 3 hr 1 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to Yellowstone Canyon = 42 mi, 1 hr 7 min


OLD FAITHFUL
West Yellowstone to Old Faithful = 31 miles, 50 min
Cooke City to Old Faithful = 93 miles, 2 hr 27 min
Jackson Hole to Old Faithful = 110 miles, 2 hr 31 min
Grant Village to Old Faithful = 21 miles, 33 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to = 262 ft, 12 seconds

CASCADE CANYON, TETONS
Jackson Hole to Cascade Canyon, Grand Teton Nat'l Park = 32 miles, 54 min
West Yellowstone to Cascade Canyon, Grand Teton Nat'l Park = 106 mi, 2 hr 34 min
Grant Village to Cascade Canyon, Grand Teton Nat'l Park = 58 mil, 1 hr 24 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to cascade canyon, Grand Teton Nat'l Park = 77 mi, 1 hr 51 min

MAMMOTH AREA
West Yellowstone to Mammoth area = 49 mil, 1 hr 18 min
Cooke City to Mammoth area = 51 mil, 1 hr 31 min
Jackson Hole to Mammoth area = 159 mi, 3 hr 49 min
Grant Village (in Yellowstone) to Mammoth = 70 mil, 1 hr 51 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to = 51 mi, 1 hr 22 min

JACKSON HOLE AIRPORT
Jackson Hole Airport to Grant Village = 70 mi, 1 hr 31 min
Jackson Hole Airport to Teton Village = 22 mi, 36 min
Jackson Hole Airport to West Yellowstone = 118, 2 hr 32 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to JAC = 89 mi, 1 hr 58 min

BILLINGS AIRPORT
Cooke City to Billings Airport = 125 mi, 2 hr 23 min
Grant Village to Billings Airport = 177 mi, 2 hr 51 min
West Yellowstone to Billings Airport = 233 mi, 3 hr 53 min
Jacksone Hole Airport to Billings Airport = 275 mi, 5 hr 27 min
Old Faithful Snow Lodge to Billings Logan Int'l Airport = 228 mi, 4 hr 11 min



Thursday, May 30, 2013

Other people's top ten lists of things to see/do in Yellowstone

Hellroaring Trail

Geyser Hill: http://www.travelwalks.com/Display_Photos.aspx

This list http://yellowstone.net/intro/top-10/ has a short list and each item in the list is a clickable link to more information.

This is a full page 3 day suggested itinerary: http://www.sunset.com/travel/rockies/yellowstone-weekend-activities-00400000050026/

Tripadvisor's top 10 Yellowstone activities: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g60999-Activities-c25-Yellowstone_National_Park_Wyoming.html

Yellowstone Wolf Tracker Guided tours are top rated, but the $700 price tag for 14 people is a big ouch. http://www.wolftracker.com/guide.htm

Boiling River is a place where park guests can swim in warm water, even warm enough to swim in the winter.

"We suggest allowing at least 3 days to visit the Park.

#10 West Thumb Geyser Basin"

I hadn't heard of Tower Fall before.  Looks interesting: http://yellowstone.net/intro/tower-fall
I still contend that Yellowstone Lake does not look interesting.

Lamar Valley is the top place for wildlife viewing (which includes wolves), so that is on my list.

The paint pots are only interesting when there is water in them to bubble which is primary in the spring during the melt.  By September they may be entirely dry.

About the falls in Yellowstone Canyon: "The volume of water flowing over the falls can vary from 63,500 gal/sec at peak runoff to 5,000 gal/sec in the fall."

Great Fountain Geyser is in the Lower Geyser Basin and is "the only major geyser you can truly watch from your windshield. This is especially nice in bad weather."  " sits in the middle of one of the prettiest sinter formations in the park. The sinter forms a series of terraced concentric reflecting pools around the geyser. Even if the geyser isn’t erupting, it is worth driving past to see the pools."


Canyon Visitor Education Center gets top marks for interactive displays for the kids which explain the volcanic activity in the area.  A&C were pretty interested in the geology of the Hawaiian Volcanoes.  Trip Advisor gives this visitor's center top marks: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g60999-d774854-Reviews-Canyon_Visitor_Education_Center-Yellowstone_National_Park_Wyoming.html